What should US do about ISIS?

Bumpers

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Screw everything. They are beheading innocent people for no other reason but to instill fear in people even though they are abunch of cowards and hide behind towels. I say get all the good folks we can out and one bomb can end the biggest part of the problem for a while
 

megadesertdiesel

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Secure our borders first!!! Then drop a nuke and eliminate the terrorist breeding grounds.

this happened on 9/11

http://austin.twcnews.com/content/news/304766/10-in-custody-after-lengthy-18-wheeler-chase/

An 18-wheeler that crashed through a border check point in Freer led police on a chase that finally ended in Kyle.Officials with the Department of Public Safety say the truck got up to speeds of at least 90 miles per hour, and they used spikes and shot at the tires to get the truck to stop.Even after the spikes destroyed the tires, the truck drove on rims for several miles before getting off Interstate-35 near Highway 150 in Kyle around 6:45 a.m.Freer is about 160 miles south of Kyle -- making this a lengthy chase that spanned through several counties.Ten people, including the driver, were taken into custody once the truck finally stopped."The driver of this vehicle was endangering not only the highway trooper and border patrol and other agencies trying to get this vehicle stopped," Robbie Barrera with the Department of Public Safety said. "He was also endangering the public and it was very imperative that we get him stopped." According to DPS, the suspects were taken to the ICE Detention Center in La Salle County.
 

Kalop

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Yes, we could wipe out / eliminate with nuclear bomb. Even less drastic bombs could eliminate them. You have to ask yourself, why hasn't it been done already?

The rabbit hole goes too deep to type. The US government can find every nickel you or I miss in taxes but you're seriously telling me they can't find source for these terrorist funding of millions and millions?

ISIS is just renaming of these Islamist terrorist/murderers who've been doing this for decades and decades. Ignorance is bliss... you don't see/know its occurring you don't worry about it. So you have to ask now WHY is general public becoming "aware" of it? ISIS doesn't have to cross Mexico border like these stupid media reports, they could take 1st class ticket on any commercial flight, they all can get passports... or they could enter any of the thousands of unmonitored ports on west/east coast on their private chartered boats. So what's really going on.. why instill fear in American public?

The US is ramping up yet again to take more of our liberties away... probably in 2016 under Republican president, and general public will be begging for it by then, in the name of "please protect me" from the evils of ISIS or whatever else they're going to label them this year. There's other reasons too. Don't get me wrong, there is evil in this world. But most of the American citizens are dumb as sheep, playing checkers in the game of life and the "powers to be" are playing a much larger game of chess.
 

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Until the muslum world has an issue with these groups (and so far they not said one word against it ), we are getting suckered into another mess. The muslum world is laughing at the US "approach"'at this issue. Any action we take should be kept quiet - just do it not announce it. Secure our border, protect out own. And let the muslum worlds tyrants step up and deal with it, and we let them do it.'
 

badassmav

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Get the F out of other countries. Although egregious crimes are being committed, the western civilization needs to stop forcing democracy down the throats of countries that CHOOSE to live otherwise. It is the media, social, and print, that exposes the atrocities to us and makes us feel guilty for their suffering. The world is in a spiral that cannot be fixed with bombs, diplomacy, or even cash funding. If war is regulated by the exposure the media produces, we will never be able to respond with adequate authority to make a difference. A GENERAL CANNOT CONQUER WHEN HIS EVERY MOVE IS BEING SCRUTINIZED BY THE MEDIA, AND ARM CHAIR POLITICIANS.

Those who have normal lives and happy families may see the cup as half full, whilst people like myself who have nothing to lose, see the facts that are there to see. An ever expanding gap between the lower and middle class of citizens. World hunger, disease, unrest, the environmental raping of our mother land that lines the pockets of a class of citizens we can never relate to. The weather, massive droughts existing adjacent to areas that suffer from extreme precipitation and flooding. Wild fires that are burning out of control. Constantly. Record breaking heat waves and frozen bodies of water that never froze up until now. Did any of you see the Niagara Falls earlier this year? Google it, and see a sample of how the world we knew is no longer. UFO sightings are through the roof. I personally believe that what you all think is God, just may not be what you expected. Politicians and public figures being indicted for haneous crimes, at a rate greater than ever before. New diseasaes that modern medicine have no idea how to treat, conspiracies that make watergate look like a misdemeanor event.

Just look at the inhumane actions of the idiots we know as ISIS. They are performing nothing short of an ethnic cleansing, unparalleled since Hitler's rise in the early 1930's, and the mass killings by his regime in the following years.

I will stop here, for if this isn't enough to help you see what lies ahead for you, and your children, then you are living with one eye closed my friend. Suffice it to say that it is hopeless. It will get much worse before it gets any better. Your houses, your toys and savings or investments, everything you have come to know as your comfort zone. Your social status. It will all be insignificant, and you will need to be well grounded to survive. IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF A FEW MONTHS UNTIL OUR COMFORTABLE LIFESTYLE THAT WE ENJOY WILL BE DISRUPTED BY DROUGHT, AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE. If you think I'm paranoid, then my response to you is I think you are an idiot. An idiot for not taking steps to protect the ones you are supposed to cherish, even more than yourself. I'm thankful I have no children, and care not what tomorrow brings. It is only bad years ahead. Mass deaths resulting from the quickening of our society are around the corner. Protect you and yours from it by having an alternative plan on your lifestyle, and what is important to you on a daily basis.

Yeah, my world is dark. I welcome the mayhem, and extend my arms to end this temporary hell in which we all live. One thing is for certain: When the gates open up, all you macho F's who dont let me in line while in traffic. All, the self centered people who choose to line their own pockets at the expense of others. The idiots who betray their family unit, only to enjoy a moment of personal pleasure at the expense of their livelihood, and their childrens happy home. The bad ass dudes who stare me down, just waiting for a reason to pounce, because they are sooo bad. You all will become pussified at that moment of mayhem, crying for your mommies. And me..I'll be glad it is finally come time to cleanse this world of the greed, hate, and pillaging that is what we all accept as "normal", or "a sign of the times". The world changes only because you allow your needs to change as to keep up with the Joneses'. Put down your stupid hand held, false sense of security that you so rudely use while I'm trying to talk to you, and take a long slow pause and look around you. It is here for you to protect your family from, and you can't protect them by getting that brand new dually tomorrow. It will be realized when you pick up a book to read to your kids, instead of working that extra 3 hours to pay the bills you chose to pile onto your family budget. Just step back, and slow the F down. Remember what is important, and where your loyalties lie. Be humble, but firm. Adjust to having less than you do now. Be smart. Your kids' tomorrows are already contaminated by your actions today. Provide them with good examples of kindness, and sincerity. Be a real man.
 

BR549

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This country is being tore apart from within. This country was founded by genius's, and is being ran by idiots!
Our southern border is a fickin joke !, if the U.S. government wanted to really secure it, it would be done. Its all about the money and the votes.
Who is buying the oil from ISIS? don't hear about that one do ya!, cut the money off and the food to them and they are done.
Our freedoms are slowly being taken away from us buy our own government a little at a time, look at all the anti-gun bull crap, my take on it..... is if the U.S. government wants to take our guns then get with the program and start confiscating them you assholes and see what shit storm will come from that! I love this country, and I love my way of life, and I will preserve it at all costs.
 

Kalop

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Some good points above, for sure. I will say one more thing ... above it was mentioned how our country is being torn from within, that's very true... This is designed plan. A nation divided can be controlled. That's the whole point, the more divides and internal fighting, the easier everyone is to manipulate. Everyone has their topic(s) that divides them... programmed via culture, media, and society... You got black vs white... hispanic vs black, race tension and divides.... then you got rich vs poor ... government takers vs tax payers .. on and one whatever you HATE, someone else LOVES .. whatever you love, someone else hates... guns, drugs, religion, on and on and on. Eventually you and I can come to a topic that will divide us, that's on purpose. Step back for a second and look at the big picture, I still got family in TX here that believes there's a difference between Democrat vs Republican ... but in reality, they're the same, 2 sides of same coin, it's like watching wresting, Hulk Hogan for Iron Sheik .. they put on a good show, but at end of the day the go behind closed doors and have millionaire dinners together and talk about they're families and such. I too believe this country is headed on downward slope ... it will most certainly get worse, much worse, before it gets better (I probably won't see it better in my lifetime). Anyone seen that movie Idiocracy? This is the future of the American sheeple.
 

GOVACHO

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I found a great deal on hoods. I think it's time AMERICANS step up and stand for what is ours.. We will not fall or coward to anyone !! An eye for an eye.. Karma is a mother !!!

OBAMA needs to step down and allow real AMERICANS run this country !!
 

dkiewicz

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We know where the money comes from. It's on the right coast around 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Our government can't "find" it because they'd imcriminate themselves. They have funded just about every action in the Middle East including Bin Laden. It moves through others like Saudi and Dubai.

Anyone remember Charlie Wilson? I do. I also remember all of the weapons and money and training and.... We set this up ourselves and now nobody wants to stand up and take credit. We can't stop it because the same folks that need to stop it are the ones who started it. So the way I see it is we need to vote out all of those assholes and get a new set of assholes that can try to undo it.

This is the G7 and the Trilateralists playing with your any my lives folks. If you think we matter on the big stage, we do not. We started moving in the right direction with occupy Wall Street, but we are so not in the news anymore by design. Can you guess why?

Yes my fellow suckers, we've been dying and fighting each other because that's what puppets do. We have just enough to eek out a meager lifestyle and we become complacent.

Ask most young folks today if they'd fight and the response is, send in the Drones. I have asked numerous folks and they don't see the need to go climbing through the mud and sand. Well as a vet I am here to tell you, if you can't see the whites of their beady little eyes, you aren't close enough to gut the fucking pigs and make sure they don't harm another innocent person. I like what I heard one gentleman say, "Kill every last one of them and then kill their goat to make sure they don't come back". Amen.

For those who'd like to read a little:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_(Texas_politician)

I'm sure this will take you to more than you want to know, but since Joey asked, maybe we should all become informed and understand what the hell we're up against, both here and abroad.

Peace out brothers and sisters, I think I hear the NSA van coming down the street.... :mad:
 

badassmav

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Yes, we could wipe out / eliminate with nuclear bomb. Even less drastic bombs could eliminate them. You have to ask yourself, why hasn't it been done already?

The rabbit hole goes too deep to type. The US government can find every nickel you or I miss in taxes but you're seriously telling me they can't find source for these terrorist funding of millions and millions?

ISIS is just renaming of these Islamist terrorist/murderers who've been doing this for decades and decades. Ignorance is bliss... you don't see/know its occurring you don't worry about it. So you have to ask now WHY is general public becoming "aware" of it? ISIS doesn't have to cross Mexico border like these stupid media reports, they could take 1st class ticket on any commercial flight, they all can get passports... or they could enter any of the thousands of unmonitored ports on west/east coast on their private chartered boats. So what's really going on.. why instill fear in American public?

The US is ramping up yet again to take more of our liberties away... probably in 2016 under Republican president, and general public will be begging for it by then, in the name of "please protect me" from the evils of ISIS or whatever else they're going to label them this year. There's other reasons too. Don't get me wrong, there is evil in this world. But most of the American citizens are dumb as sheep, playing checkers in the game of life and the "powers to be" are playing a much larger game of chess.
You hit the nail square on the head. The government instills fear into us, using whatever propaganda that is available to them, regardless of the merit. Once the general public is primed, and full of fear and hate for someone they don't even know, nor ever will, our commander in chief will sign our liberties away via executive orders that, once signed by the president, over rides and are exclusive to the rights that we once had granted to us by our constitution. Obama has signed over 1,200 during his tenure. More than any other pres in history. Busch (a malicious misspell because I also drink beer by the same spelling, and I'm way off kilter anyway) is second behind Obama with 700 or so. The next in line, whose name is not important, only signed something like 40 or so.

Once martial law is declared, the government that we hoped would protect us, and through the power of an executive order, will have the right to seize any of your freedoms that you take for granted. They can, and will, take control of financial institutions, utility companies, even local businesses if it means that they can control resources that we all rely upon for our daily needs. Whether you want to believe it or not, it was our own government who orchestrated 911. I wont waste time here backing my smack with facts because there are plenty of sites on the web that identifies the facts of the matter.

Why would they do such a thing? They carry out these horrific crimes against humanity to scare us so badly, that we would afford them the power to further invade our rights and freedoms, in hopes that they will only do so to protect us from the "evil terrorists that want us all dead". Isis wouldn't be raping Iraq if Hussein was still in power. He would take swift action againsat their advances. Brutal action that will let their people know that if you F with Iraq, this is what you can expect. Instead, the army of over 40,000 Iraqi's that we paid billions to train and arm, set their guns and weapons down and ran like panzy's away from the 8,000 Isis invaders.

It is unfortunate that, the overlap our government shares with the United Nations and affiliated countries is too deep to just pack up our bags and go home. The amount of debt that we sold to countries like China and Japan force us to continue our play in the global power struggle. For what? We have all the resources here necessary to provide for our needs.

Let me end this rant with an example of executive orders, and how they most likely affected some of you out there. Have you been pulled over by the police in the last 10 years or so, and didn't have your drivers license with you? If so, reply to this post and tell us the results of that traffic stop. Most likely, you were asked to get out of your car, unlawfully patted down, and your car, along with your personal property, was searched in direct conflict with your 4th amendment rights, that of illegal search and seizure. You can thank George W for that violation. He signed an executive order stripping us of that right before he unashamedly invaded Iraq, and publicly hanged Saddam Hussein. Like Hitler did in the early 30's, Busch mandated a federal I.D. law, and if you don't have one on you, sorry. You just lost your rights against illegal search and seizure. Lucky for us that we are not being rounded up and murdered like was done in the death camps under Hitler. Speaking of which, our government is going by the same model Adolph Hitler used to gain power over the people. On February 27, 1933, after Hitler came to power, the Nazis burned down the Berlin Reichstag (Parliament) building and blamed it on Communist terrorists to justify a "temporary" suspension of civil liberties to cope with the terrorist threat. This is how Hitler became an absolute dictator. The "temporary" suspension of freedom lasted until Germany was in ruins.

Don't be so sure that your government is acting in your best interest.
 

Markflexes

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It is pretty funny how a simple question posed by Joey turns into the predictable Obama bashing or political editorial. Some really good comments and insights, though. A few have mentioned FEAR. Fear is what they want so they can Govern us. Fear was the platform they used to go after Saddam and his so-called WMD. This hatred in the world and for the US since WWII has always existed. What makes it so different now? The internet, You Tube, etc. that's what. It gives these low life cowards a platform. Our reaction to these beheadings is exactly what they want. They want us to go after them. It will only fuel their recruitment efforts as more little Muslims grow up to hate us for dropping bombs on them. You cannot fight these guys and their radical ideologies with bombs or diplomacy. They are not a state, they live in the desert, in caves and underground. Will eventually eradicate this group so the government can look like heroes and saviors again (bin Ladin killing) then another one will spring up. It really is a conundrum we cannot win.

We love our freedoms in this country. I love it just like the next guy and would die for it if I had to. But, these guys and their little group of 30k are really no threat to us just as long as we keep them in their holes over there. Keep the borders as secure as possible and lets not start WWIII over a few acts of cowardice and evil.
 
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onerich

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WOULD NOT want to put our troops in any more danger then they already are in the world ,but the faze a eye for a eye comes to mind !
 

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We need to worry more about our own borders before we get involved any more in the Middle East. Our sovereignty is not threatened by ISIS unless they get through our southern border. It's time for the other countries over there to step up and fight them. I'm more worried about Putin's plans to reinvent the Soviet Union.
 

dkiewicz

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This just in"
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The vote was 273-156, with significant opposition in both parties. A Senate vote on the proposal could come as early as Thursday."


I rest my case. Here we go again... We'll train this batch then they'll turn on us! 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<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:OfficeDocumentSettings> <o:AllowPNG/> </o:OfficeDocumentSettings> </xml><![endif]-->[FONT=&quot]The U.S. House of Representatives approved President Barack Obama's request to arm and train Syrian rebels to fight ISIS.

The vote was 273-156, with significant opposition in both parties. A Senate vote on the proposal could come as early as Thursday."


I rest my case. Here we go again... We'll train this batch then they'll turn on us! 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I do appreciate the military population, and their contribution to my freedoms. My nephew just re-enlisted with the Marine Corps. But who in their right mind would want to enlist under the leadership (or lack thereof) that we currently are suffering from? Boots on the ground to follow. I wonder how much more our national debt will increase before it's all over. Lucky for us (NOT) that China will be right there to purchase it, as we continue living and spending above our means.
 

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We spent 10 years, thousands of lives, billions of dollars, and tried to set up a democracy and train an army. Soon as we leave, it all goes to shit again. Until the people want to have change themselves, the void will always get filled with another Islamist terrorist group.

Its kind of like busting a Mexican drug Cartel...there's always another one waiting to takeover.

All we can realistically do is use use Intelligence to try to disrupt the financing and drone strike their leadership, but until there's a group that's willing to fight, it's a never ending battle.
 

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