The State of the UTV Desert Racing Class

NIKAL

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With all the talk about possible cheating and just looking at the future of this class I think it’s time the UTV desert racing community sits down and looks at the past & future of this class. Right now there is no arguing this is the fastest growing class with the most entries out of all classes in BITD, and is getting there with Score International. Some might say its working and the entry numbers prove it, so there is no reason to consider or look to make any changes in the near future. But IMO this is exactly the right time to look at the future of this class and make sure it is preserved and assure that it will continue to thrive for many years to come. Right now part of the huge growth can be attributed to the Factory’s showing support and the many aftermarket businesses also showing support. But like all classes before the UTV’s that had this same Manufacture and aftermarket support, it eventually died off and so did much of the class.

Being that I come from other classes and have been in the sport longer than the word UTV has been around. I see & speak with other racers in other classes all the time. Some of the biggest issues I see facing this class is perception from the other racers and classes. I think much of it, is this class is still seen by other veterans as a Sportsman class (Golf Kart) with the majority of the drivers/teams being newbe’s to desert racing. And to be honest I can see why they might think that in many cases. Why is it that myself who has a 5/1600, which is currently slower in overall times to a competitive UTV gets way more respect? Why is it a class 9 or class 11 team which is slower than a UTV gets way more respect? Many truck classes are slower, cost more and still get more respect.

Right now I see the UTV’s going through the same transition the 1450 class (Prerunner Truck) went through. The 1450’s for a long time were known as a class full of Punk Kids or Flat Billers. Like the UTV class the 1450 was and still is a huge draw, but it’s taken time for them to get the respect they felt they deserved and much of that came from the class maturing and finding there place. I think for the UTV class to get the respect it clearly deservers, I think the UTV racers need to start co-mingling with the other classes. I think there needs to be a clear understanding of the pecking order. I think it would be great for a few TT, Class 1, Class 10 and even a few full size trick class drivers to get up and speak to the UTV class and explain what they are dealing with when they are trying to overtake a UTV or navigate on the same course as a UTV. I also think the UTV teams need to take the construction of their machines to the same level as a 1600 or class 10 car. So many of the current cars are built to race with other UTV’s but are clearly not built to race with other faster, heavier cars on the same course.

Why has the 1600 class been so strong for so long? A solid platform of rules were made and have stood the test of time. Yes over the years rules have change to meet the needs and times we race in. But the basic rules of the class have been untouched. A 10 year old car can come out, pass Tech and race competitively. I think the UTV class needs to take a look and make sure they are following the same philosophy. I know it might be harder as UTV’s are built off of a production based platform and those are always changing.

A few of the biggest issues I see with the UTV class is the fact you need to start with and buy a new stock machine. The manufactures are not making their money off of selling show room floor vehicles to racers. They make their money selling UTV’s to the masses, like the guys going to Glamis, the family that trail rides or using it for hunting or work. Since very little of the original vehicle is used, would it be more cost effective to make a rule that states an aftermarket lower frame with stock geometry pivot points could be built by aftermarket builders? This lower frame would have to meet all factory specs, and be tagged as being a legal aftermarket frame rail. There could be multiple fab shops who could be authorized by the Series or UTV Board to build these lower frames out of chromoly and are built in a spec jig to assure they all meet the factory specs. An easy set of measuring tools could be built to inspect these pivot points at Pre or Post tech. Also a chassis like this would be tagged with an assigned serial number. This could be done very much the same way the LOORS short course series does to verify the Pro Lite trucks all meet the required chassis specs.

Right now if you ripped a lower front a-arm off and in the process bend & damaged the stock pivot points are you legally able to re-fab or replace the damaged a-arm pivot tabs? Yes or No? If the answer is Yes, then how do we know you are putting them back in the stock location? And what is really left of the stock frame at that point? A few pieces of thin wall mild steel tubing? BTW the lower frame tubes do not meet the current spec of having to use DOM or Chromoly when building your chassis. Keeping the stock frame was always about keeping the stock engine location & suspension geometry right? The rules could be written that a stock lower frame with stock pivot points could still be used, or an aftermarket spec lower frame from Authorized (XYZ) shops could be used. All chassis must be inspected & tagged by the series prior to being raced, similar to what Score does for older chassis.

Now you will still need the stock drivetrain to power this race car. Well would it be cheaper to just buy a complete power & drivertrain system from your local dealership? Could aftermarket parts shops with relationships to these manufactures put a package in place where they sell a factory direct powertrain set up for these race teams? Maybe the manufactures themselves could set up a Racer Program where you sign up and can buy Crate packages directly from them? I believe longevity of this class is going to be trying to reduce and manage the cost. Because right now I can see the price of a competitive winning UTV reaching class 12, class 10 or Trophy Lite pricing. At that point why would you want to race a UTV when you can race one of those other cars? This happened to class 3000 which was a spec buggy & truck wheel base with an Ecotec engine platform. But what killed that class is the adaption of the Ecotec in class 10. A class 10 now became the same price as a class 3000 but you got more performance. I won’t even bring up the death of class 7’s.

Also with the current engine rules I see the engine cost getting out of hand. Right now its still proven that a stock engine with mild tuning can compete with the fully built race engines. Maybe a simple rule requiring you can only use Pump Gas (No Race Gas) would help control the cost. This would eliminate the use or need of buying expensive internal parts as you can only do so much when using 92 octane Pump Gas. Or make a Compression rule, this would eliminate all the expensive headwork. Sure some guys might still want to build super durable engines with exotic parts, but the end result is not going to change. Also for those who don’t know the 1600 VW engine platform used in the 1600 & 5/1600 & class 9 are only getting around 80-85 HP at the Flywheel. We are hearing that some UTV’s are getting as much as 150 HP at the Wheels! Do you really need more?? More Power is not going to make you faster than a 1600 car.

Another place that I see needs a re-evaluation is tire size options. Notice I said Options! This would be looked at as a Max tire size and not a mandated tire size. This area needs to be looked at as the class evolves and gets faster, and more reliable. Right now the UTV is running the smallest spec sized tire in all of desert racing. The UTV’s want to race on the same courses as the other classes, yet tire size is going to continue to be a huge limiting factor. You can get out of the way or off the course quicker with a larger tire as you will have more options to pull over. I can’t tell you how many UTV’s I saw come though Pit A at the Mint with front alignment issues and clearly bent lower a-arms. I know of 3 teams that were fixing or replacing lower A-arms at Pit A, as they are hitting rocks and just taking a beating on this course. A taller tire option will greatly improve ground clearance, performance and a taller tire will make the holes & ruts smaller. You can run just as hard with less power because of the larger tire, as you will be able to handle the holes & bumps better. Once again look at the 1600 class where they don’t have a tire size rule, but the biggest tire they all run is the 33 inch. 85HP VW engine with a 33 inch tire is faster than the UTV’s. Up to this year class 10 was running a 33 inch tire. With BFG’s new light weight 35 inch tire they have almost all switched to the 35 and the improvement is huge. Same Ecotec power, but better taller tire has once again improved the class.

And last I think the UTV class needs to re-evaluate its Tech process and who rights the rules. What you currently have was needed when the class was first started, but times have evolved and so does this process. I think a committee (Class reps) which is annually voted in by its peers should be added and these people are the voice of the class to the series. All rule changes (except safety) should be brought to a Racer vote and are only implemented at the beginning of a season. I see no reason why the UTV class can’t use the same Pre-Tech as all the other class & BITD. Part of the Tech is already handled by BITD anyways. I believe the UTV’s use Score’s Tech at all Score races, correct? I also believe the safety standards in the UTV class need to match what we see in all the other classes. This includes chassis design, as this would minimize damage when nerf’ed from a larger faster class vehicle. I also feel their needs to be a Post-Race Tech as there seems to be legitimate concerns in the class about cheating or stretching of the rules. Post Race Tech is nothing new and could be done with the same Tech People that are Tech’ing the other limited classes. And there has never been a charge for this process.

Now maybe what you’re reading is not the answer or “fix all” to the future of the UTV class, but I can assure you if it’s not looked at and re-evaluated in the near future this class will eventually price itself out of the racing market and will become the next 7’s, 5/1600 or class 3000.
 

CSG

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As a woods racer I can say that the price point of a desert race UTV keeps me from even considering it.
 
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motive

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As a woods racer I can say that the price point of a desert race UTV keeps me from even considering it.
Nikal and I talked quite a lot at the mint about issues from safety, to progressing the class to keeping the cost down. His post above is just the tip of the iceberg. There are so many issues that have plagued other classes that I was able to learn about by talking with him and his friends from other classes including the pit guys for Justin Lofton's TT. I feel if we can get in front of the 8 ball as far as a class that it will continue to grow, progress as far as speed and finish rate, and keep price in check that will make it even more attainable to go race.
 
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I think that's a great idea having a spec chassis that accepts all platforms . Utvs are not cheaper to race over years than a 10 car cause u have to keep updating . A friend and I spent ALOT of time and money on a rhino and the next year or two were done . But with a base chassis it could last awhile


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motive

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He is not saying a spec chassis that is the same across the board but shops being able to recreate the lower main rails that are required by the rules and buying just the drivetrain package from the factory. There is a lot of stuff that you throw away from a $20000 UTV to turn it into a racer. Or the ability to buy a wadded up car and use the parts needed from that with the new rails. Build your own cage on top.
 

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How about making the Pro class a "drivers" class. No ecu re-flashing or motor work, only clutch mods can be made, this would keep the cost down. Then the guys that want to re-flash, add turbos, do big bore kits can all go to the unlimited class.
 
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JoeyD23

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frankly, I think the Pro UTV class can improve but its doing pretty damn good right now. We have OEM support, competitive vehicles and more & more entries every round. Let the Unlimited class do what it wants to do, let sportsman flirt with stock fuel cells and help foster new racers and lets not ruin the Pro UTV class.

I wish the Turbo wouldn't have been included in the current Pro UTV class for now but thats done. Other than that I think we can do certain things to improve the class safety wise and of course tech wise, but overall we got a pretty good thing going. This isn't a buggy or truck or bike and thats what makes this class unique. Thus we need to treat it for what it is and not try to force it into becoming a truck, buggy or bike.
 
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Definitely not a truck or a bike, but it seems to me that it is a buggy
 
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iambigd

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I think if Polaris had come out with the turbo first several people on this board would be singing a different tune, including JoeyD. I guess that goes without saying....

I also 100% agree with JoeyD that the UTV class is unique and turning them in something unrecognizable would be a shame.
 

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frankly, I think the Pro UTV class can improve but its doing pretty damn good right now. We have OEM support, competitive vehicles and more & more entries every round. Let the Unlimited class do what it wants to do, let sportsman flirt with stock fuel cells and help foster new racers and lets not ruin the Pro UTV class.
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You want to flirt with disaster then run a stock plastic gas tank in your utv with 6000lb vehicle racing around you. Hell no standard safety issues with all utv racing bitd should and will be a standard. Go look at the wrecks at the mint and put one utv in there then come back with a standard you would put you or your driver in. mandatory Fuel cell/ 5 point harness/ weld in doors/ window nets/ and roof/ all out of 1-1/2 .095 tubing.
 
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The only races that Cory allowed a UTV to run with a stock fuel cell were Parker and Laughlin. Races that only had UTV's in them. He would never allow a stock fuel cell to run in any of the races that had bigger cars.
 

UTVMike24

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The only races that Cory allowed a UTV to run with a stock fuel cell were Parker and Laughlin. Races that only had UTV's in them. He would never allow a stock fuel cell to run in any of the races that had bigger cars.
Ok but the current BITD rules don't allow stock fuel cells ....So why did I have to race against one in those Races...That's why we have Rules...I don't want to get hurt so we can have a higher car count
 

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I think NIKAL makes a good point I think safety is the biggest problem we as a class deal with.
I want to see the pro class stay the way it is. Keep it as a class that what wins on Saturday sells on Mondays. Mostly.
But let those guys that want a TT level utv have it. In the unlimited class. Obviously it has to stay UTV. Cvt, powersports based, something stipulating that some guy doesn't put a v8 or 4 cylinder s2000 engine in a utv chassis and go racing.
But allow the pushing of the envelope as it were in a utv.

As for sportsman I feel the least amount of work to be done but it must be safe.(still on course with the TT guys) and draw more racers.

But we do need to evolve and become a real class in BITD!!
There are many good guys that can help with this. Look at what Joey D has done for this class and industry. Put him with NIKAL and we have 2 guys that could have an enormous affect on our class. Mix them with a few racer voices and now we are on the right track.
 
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UTVMike24

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frankly, I think the Pro UTV class can improve but its doing pretty damn good right now. We have OEM support, competitive vehicles and more & more entries every round. Let the Unlimited class do what it wants to do, let sportsman flirt with stock fuel cells and help foster new racers and lets not ruin the Pro UTV class.

I wish the Turbo wouldn't have been included in the current Pro UTV class for now but thats done. Other than that I think we can do certain things to improve the class safety wise and of course tech wise, but overall we got a pretty good thing going. This isn't a buggy or truck or bike and thats what makes this class unique. Thus we need to treat it for what it is and not try to force it into becoming a truck, buggy or bike.
Thank you Joey for having a forum on your site where these talks can be heard out..
As most of us long time Desert racers know talking about this on Race Dezert doesn't work for a UTV
Discussion...Pro Class is moving along Great...Sportsman Class where some of us have raced for Years like myself,needs to keep the Same Safety Rules..Running my WORCs style RZR would not be Safe at all..Besides we Need to Always to be Worried about Safety before Speed !! As for the Newer Unlimited class where we are building new cars for Yes !! Some of us believe this is going to be a big class in the near future....Yes we would like to have some rule modifications like 1200cc,Larger tire size,still keep the look of a Factory SXS,etc... Thanks Mike
 

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Joey d you said you would need every driver support that's easy just like BITD you have membership/ utvra membership to race BITD event. Well to race UTVWC you also have to have driver association membership just saying. If you build it they will come hell you and mad media already built it.
 
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