Still want to debate the HELMET LAW????
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We need to stop here. Everyone is right. What is wrong in this scenario is the legislation. We have become a nanny state. We are all adults and as many have said, should be responsible for ourselves, agreed?
We need to stop letting the folks who "choose" to do something that can be construed as dangerous to be allowed to "sue".
Make your choices, but if you don't wear a helmet and expire, good on ya! Your family, heirs, best friends, your dog etc... have ZERO recourse against the manufacture of whatever it is you are riding in, on, with etc... unless you can prove there is a mechanical flaw in workmanship or design. Notice I said "prove". Very subjective and hard to do. There are just as many ways to design a great vehicle as there are Doans pills. (only the older crowd will know that one... LOL!!!)
I also agree that the factory safety equipment should be better, but that comes with a price. It isn't cheap building them stronger, so pony up the dough or DIY when you buy it.
The other reason it's not is because of the sue happy a$$holes. If the mfr puts in 5 points, builds a strong cage, that means they are condoning and encouraging people to use it vigorously. That makes them liable and guess what they don't want to be because they will get what? Yes that's right, SUED!
So everyone should choose, but choose right because you may lose something that you truly love and cherish, yours or someone you love or care deeply about, life.
It's that simple, and yes accidents do happen. What was it mom used to tell us, always be prepared and make sure you have clean underwear on?
I never could figure out what kind of safety equipment that was, but hey, she meant well and tried to teach us a lesson, right?
Use common sense folks, we seem to have a lack of that in our government right now. Everyone's a Lawyer and wants to be known for making a great law at the constituents expense. Vote, become an activist, write your employees (Senator, Congress person, Mayor etc...) and bitch and complain!
Remember,
Only YOU can prevent STUPIDITY!
peace...
We need to stop letting the folks who "choose" to do something that can be construed as dangerous to be allowed to "sue".
Make your choices, but if you don't wear a helmet and expire, good on ya! Your family, heirs, best friends, your dog etc... have ZERO recourse against the manufacture of whatever it is you are riding in, on, with etc... unless you can prove there is a mechanical flaw in workmanship or design. Notice I said "prove". Very subjective and hard to do. There are just as many ways to design a great vehicle as there are Doans pills. (only the older crowd will know that one... LOL!!!)
I also agree that the factory safety equipment should be better, but that comes with a price. It isn't cheap building them stronger, so pony up the dough or DIY when you buy it.
The other reason it's not is because of the sue happy a$$holes. If the mfr puts in 5 points, builds a strong cage, that means they are condoning and encouraging people to use it vigorously. That makes them liable and guess what they don't want to be because they will get what? Yes that's right, SUED!
So everyone should choose, but choose right because you may lose something that you truly love and cherish, yours or someone you love or care deeply about, life.
It's that simple, and yes accidents do happen. What was it mom used to tell us, always be prepared and make sure you have clean underwear on?
I never could figure out what kind of safety equipment that was, but hey, she meant well and tried to teach us a lesson, right?
Use common sense folks, we seem to have a lack of that in our government right now. Everyone's a Lawyer and wants to be known for making a great law at the constituents expense. Vote, become an activist, write your employees (Senator, Congress person, Mayor etc...) and bitch and complain!
Remember,
Only YOU can prevent STUPIDITY!
peace...
lol and there it comes back to ME SUPPRTING YOUR RIGHTS BEING TAKEN AWAY.. Come on Jim, its NOT ABOUT ME and YOUR RIGHTS!! That was not what this thread is. That thread was last year and I was and still am on your SIDE!!!!
The thread is about the HELMET about your HEAD and about the INJURY. Nothing more, nothing less.. This is why I don't get into political debate because rarely can you have a debate where people end up agreeing. I have already said now ATLEAST 10 TIMES that I agree on our rights being OUR RIGHTS and the law should be a CHOICE!! I AGREEEEEEEEEE
LAWS SUCK - BUT BRAIN DAMAGE SUCKS MORE! Thats my point..
Well said Dan!!!! I want you on my team when the zombie apocolypes comes.
We need to stop here. Everyone is right. What is wrong in this scenario is the legislation. We have become a nanny state. We are all adults and as many have said, should be responsible for ourselves, agreed?
We need to stop letting the folks who "choose" to do something that can be construed as dangerous to be allowed to "sue".
Make your choices, but if you don't wear a helmet and expire, good on ya! Your family, heirs, best friends, your dog etc... have ZERO recourse against the manufacture of whatever it is you are riding in, on, with etc... unless you can prove there is a mechanical flaw in workmanship or design. Notice I said "prove". Very subjective and hard to do. There are just as many ways to design a great vehicle as there are Doans pills. (only the older crowd will know that one... LOL!!!)
I also agree that the factory safety equipment should be better, but that comes with a price. It isn't cheap building them stronger, so pony up the dough or DIY when you buy it.
The other reason it's not is because of the sue happy a$$holes. If the mfr puts in 5 points, builds a strong cage, that means they are condoning and encouraging people to use it vigorously. That makes them liable and guess what they don't want to be because they will get what? Yes that's right, SUED!
So everyone should choose, but choose right because you may lose something that you truly love and cherish, yours or someone you love or care deeply about, life.
It's that simple, and yes accidents do happen. What was it mom used to tell us, always be prepared and make sure you have clean underwear on?
I never could figure out what kind of safety equipment that was, but hey, she meant well and tried to teach us a lesson, right?
Use common sense folks, we seem to have a lack of that in our government right now. Everyone's a Lawyer and wants to be known for making a great law at the constituents expense. Vote, become an activist, write your employees (Senator, Congress person, Mayor etc...) and bitch and complain!
Remember,
Only YOU can prevent STUPIDITY!
peace...
We need to stop here. Everyone is right. What is wrong in this scenario is the legislation. We have become a nanny state. We are all adults and as many have said, should be responsible for ourselves, agreed?
We need to stop letting the folks who "choose" to do something that can be construed as dangerous to be allowed to "sue".
Make your choices, but if you don't wear a helmet and expire, good on ya! Your family, heirs, best friends, your dog etc... have ZERO recourse against the manufacture of whatever it is you are riding in, on, with etc... unless you can prove there is a mechanical flaw in workmanship or design. Notice I said "prove". Very subjective and hard to do. There are just as many ways to design a great vehicle as there are Doans pills. (only the older crowd will know that one... LOL!!!)
I also agree that the factory safety equipment should be better, but that comes with a price. It isn't cheap building them stronger, so pony up the dough or DIY when you buy it.
The other reason it's not is because of the sue happy a$$holes. If the mfr puts in 5 points, builds a strong cage, that means they are condoning and encouraging people to use it vigorously. That makes them liable and guess what they don't want to be because they will get what? Yes that's right, SUED!
So everyone should choose, but choose right because you may lose something that you truly love and cherish, yours or someone you love or care deeply about, life.
It's that simple, and yes accidents do happen. What was it mom used to tell us, always be prepared and make sure you have clean underwear on?
I never could figure out what kind of safety equipment that was, but hey, she meant well and tried to teach us a lesson, right?
Use common sense folks, we seem to have a lack of that in our government right now. Everyone's a Lawyer and wants to be known for making a great law at the constituents expense. Vote, become an activist, write your employees (Senator, Congress person, Mayor etc...) and bitch and complain!
Remember,
Only YOU can prevent STUPIDITY!
peace...
REP POINTS... Great post!
Quoted for CLARITY... In case anyone else didn't catch the part where I agree that we should all have a choice and that it sucks that the right to wear a helmet or not was taken away.. again..
I don't get it Joey you liberal bastard, why would you support these people.......................LMFAO! I completely agree with you!!!
I'm sure cruising around all mellow and stuff is safe but what about the other guy who crashes into you totally out of control? I wonder how many times a person has been killed in an off roading accident when it wasn't even their fault? I know I'm good but what about all the dumb asses out there? You never know whats coming around the next turn so it can't be worse to wear a helmet than possible death. Sometimes it's good thing to make Common Sense laws or do you believe it's your right to drink and drive or to shit on the counter at Vons? I would hope not!
Sometimes it's good thing to make Common Sense laws or do you believe it's your right to drink and drive or to shit on the counter at Vons? I would hope not!I'm sure driving around all mellow and stuff is safe but what about the other guy who crashes into you totally out of control? I wonder how many times a person has been killed in a car accident when it wasn't even their fault? I know I'm a good driver but what about all the dumb asses out there? You never know whats coming around the next turn so it can't be worse to wear a helmet than possible death.I'm sure cruising around all mellow and stuff is safe but what about the other guy who crashes into you totally out of control? I wonder how many times a person has been killed in an off roading accident when it wasn't even their fault? I know I'm good but what about all the dumb asses out there? You never know whats coming around the next turn so it can't be worse to wear a helmet than possible death.
Sometimes it's good thing to make Common Sense laws or do you believe it's your right to drink and drive or to shit on the counter at Vons? I would hope not!Can be applied to many things
I'm sure shooting targets and stuff is safe but what about the other guy who snaps and kills people totally out of control? I wonder how many times a person has been killed in shooting when it wasn't even their fault? I know I'm safe with guns but what about all the crazy people out there? You never know whats they will do so it can't be worse to ban all guns than possible death.
Sometimes it's good thing to make Common Sense gun laws or do you believe it's your right to drink and drive or to shit on the counter at Vons? I would hope not
It's not taking away your rights its protecting your rights and yes anyone can twist words to make a point! good one! Driving a utv without a helmet is not a constitutional right is it? But I get what your trying to say
................... I wonder how many times a person has been killed in shooting when it wasn't even their fault? I know I'm safe with guns but what about all the crazy people out there? ..................................... Like V.P. Dick Chaney?? LOL
Back to rights.... Holy crap..
I feel the same as all of you god fearing, red blooded, proud Americans about Guns and gun rights, and thankfully we have the 2nd amendment to protect that (for now). But that's where it stops. Because unless you can show me where in the constitution it says we have the right to not wear a helmet in an off road vehicle capable of 70+ MPH then I won't personally draw that comparison to fight for that argument.
Again, the point of the thread was to debate the validity of wearing a helmet from a safety standpoint in how it pertains to the new law. NOT whether or not the law is with or without merit.
I feel the same as all of you god fearing, red blooded, proud Americans about Guns and gun rights, and thankfully we have the 2nd amendment to protect that (for now). But that's where it stops. Because unless you can show me where in the constitution it says we have the right to not wear a helmet in an off road vehicle capable of 70+ MPH then I won't personally draw that comparison to fight for that argument.
Again, the point of the thread was to debate the validity of wearing a helmet from a safety standpoint in how it pertains to the new law. NOT whether or not the law is with or without merit.
WOW! I stopped reading after page 4. I don't think that the purpose of this thread is to once again debate the helmet law. I think it's just a little ol' picture to show the ignorant what can happen if you strap into an off road race vehicle (that's really what we're driving) and don't wear a helmet. That is one narly nasty picture. Try to have an open mind, and go back and stare at the picture in the open. See if maybe, just maybe, you can understand why a helmet is a good thing.
I was always carefree and dangerous. Hell I used to play hockey without a cup or a helmet. Not good choices, but I made 'em, and I have the battle scars to prove them. So do a number of my former teammates, oops!
As we grow older we become more conservative. $hit starts hurting just getting out of bed. When you get hurt it takes 3-4 times as long to heal, if you do.
Helmets and all safety equip can only provide you better protection.
The $1000 of safety gear my son had on when he was hit head on riding his dirt bike by a dune buggy is testament to that. I'm glad I made him wear it all because if it was up to him, he probably wouldn't have, and I would have been paying for a funeral with the money I saved, not good.
Like the nurse told us in the ICU, we can fix broken bones, we can't fix broken brains, wear a helmet folks, but then again it's YOUR choice...
Yeah that's right, you don't have to and choose to get the ticket and do the time or pay the fine, it's still a choice, and yours to make, law or no law.
As we grow older we become more conservative. $hit starts hurting just getting out of bed. When you get hurt it takes 3-4 times as long to heal, if you do.
Helmets and all safety equip can only provide you better protection.
The $1000 of safety gear my son had on when he was hit head on riding his dirt bike by a dune buggy is testament to that. I'm glad I made him wear it all because if it was up to him, he probably wouldn't have, and I would have been paying for a funeral with the money I saved, not good.
Like the nurse told us in the ICU, we can fix broken bones, we can't fix broken brains, wear a helmet folks, but then again it's YOUR choice...
Yeah that's right, you don't have to and choose to get the ticket and do the time or pay the fine, it's still a choice, and yours to make, law or no law.
Have you considered that maybe the law was passed because people made the CHOICE to NOT wear a HELMET, crashed, got hurt/killed and now it is in fact not just affecting that individual but now ALL of us because of it???? Your actions don't always just affect you, sure you may die and be removed from the fallout but then many after you very well could be held accountable for your personal CHOICE. We are not wearing helmets because of nothing. I am sure at one point it wasn't a law to not drink and drive, I know at one time seat-belts weren't required. Shit changes because shit happens.
This is such a ridiculous statement! The property belongs to us. Government "for the people, BY THE PEOPLE"!! Public land does not belong to the government, it belongs to the public...which is you and I.