My tangent was trying to point out that there is a reason why desert racing hasn't allowed turbos. They sure seemed to help the Can Am guys.
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Not sure how much goes to 7200 trucks I thought big check went to trophy truck or trick truck. The question probably should be what did cognito get to win V2R since manufacter is so big into utv. I would guess about $3000. I wonder how you could make that more like the utvchampionship, Mr sims got 20k plus to win the shortest desert race of the year and the longest race you get the least amount?
Clearly I have only ever felt this way as it pertained to rules. My Turbo is already being built. I'm all over playing with it. My can am turbo is a riot also. They have their place for sure.
Like somebody said once...'smoke and mirrors'.
Everybody is currently arguing the new xp motor with the full realization that it will indeed be everything but that wins a desert race between two identically looking (exterior) bone stock cars in the same production class from the same (leading by a mile) manufacturer.
I seem to remember BadAssMav (on another thread) simply being honest enough to describe the entire 'pre' turbo driveline system in no uncertain terms. It is junk. Everybody on here who has ever owned an XP made previously or has certainly raced this machine knows full well that this is a fact. Will the motor-forward improvements that were forced with the introduction of the Turbo (now we know why the factory was silent as to these blatant engineering-related shortcomings all along) be integrated to N/A models(?)...who knows. We do know that at least Johnny finished strong with only the same overheating problems that everybody else is having right now.
A good number of us out here since the dawn of this sport have been wasting a lot of money over the years hoping that at least one company would someday assemble enough brains together to build a half-way passable 'sport'-based cvt drivetrain system. Most of them haven't even been able to handle a 21st century 'intake air system' (deja vu 'apparently' in 2016 if the problem isn't internal) even belt cooling system a good share of the time.
'Now'... everybody's arguing that it's all about the motor...as if they wouldn't choose to race a properly engineered 2016 XP even 'neutered' (modified to produce the same or even less horsepower) over the previous pieces of garbage (engineering/lightly built-wise) sitting right next to it presently on showroom floors..IF playing Frankenstein with unlimited budgets wasn't so common in (cough) 'production' classes.
These pre-2016 XPs argued about presently will soon be akin to the same pieces of crap that GM produced in the 80's and everybody who owns or races one knows it.
To argue the Turbo improvements over everything else that Polaris has attempted to (now) 'just get you there' vs 'being there first' (which is a mute point when ignoring the former) is missing the ridiculousness of the following:
"We'll just paint lipstick on these pre-Turbo pigs and cram literally everything but the motor in to a 'united' (cough) 100% 'even' class..and call it good..." (for now).
Your writing is hard to read, but if you are saying the driveline is junk on an xp1000, I disagree. I put my car thru Hell and she treated me right at v2r, Baja 500, Baja 1000 and more.
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I've never had major or even minor problems with my XP1000s and I've had and still have multiple.
Well it sounds like you get your info from the internet and not the front lines. I have done nothing more then replace the carrier bearing just to stay on top of things. The drive train is totally up to the task. I have 2000 race miles on the stock drive train with out any issues. We have finished every mile of every race we have entered.
So you might want to take off you aluminum tin foil hat and look out side that box, your legacy might depend on it.
No disrespect to Bad Ass Mav....But they molested the shit out of their driveline adding an alternator and such is the reason they had a failure....Ask any of the teams that have been racing polaris for more than a half season....None of them have had any drive line issues.
What about all the broken transmissions from bearing failures. Cheap Chinese bearings. I've seen a bunch of them fail. Others that that there ok. The turbo car upgraded the whole driveline so that's another reason to use it.
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Ya we have seen some broken trans parts here and there
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I'm not here to boast my credentials, but between BITD, Lucas, and dune cars I've fixed roughly 20 transmissions due to bearing failures, front outputs snapping behind the snorkel gear, pinion assembly failures, retention plate bolts snapping the heads off, etc. Factor in another 5+ motors that have windmilled the cases due to the cast fractured rods snapping, rear portion of the driveshaft bending, front driveshaft not being phased correctly and not balanced, carrier bearings coming apart, etc etc. Next time, I wouldn't be so quick to try to lynch someone.
As a package from the factory I think the Polaris XP is awesome. What you have to remember is Polaris is selling a sport UTV to the public and it's intended use is trail riding NOT racing.
I do three large group rides a year down in Baja. On your last ride I was reasonable for getting 32 UTV's through 400 miles of Baja trails in a three day period. If you add up the milage it was a total of 12,800 miles of Baja trails covered by 31 Polaris UTV's and one Can-AM Turbo. In that amount of time we only had two cars on the trailer for sunday mornings ride home. One XP900 and the Can AM. So I would say these things are built extremely well for what they are intended for.
I would like to see someone take a Ford Raptor (a sport truck) and put it through the same things at the same SPEED that we do with these XP's. It would fall apart very quickly.
I do three large group rides a year down in Baja. On your last ride I was reasonable for getting 32 UTV's through 400 miles of Baja trails in a three day period. If you add up the milage it was a total of 12,800 miles of Baja trails covered by 31 Polaris UTV's and one Can-AM Turbo. In that amount of time we only had two cars on the trailer for sunday mornings ride home. One XP900 and the Can AM. So I would say these things are built extremely well for what they are intended for.
I would like to see someone take a Ford Raptor (a sport truck) and put it through the same things at the same SPEED that we do with these XP's. It would fall apart very quickly.
LOL, hate bustin your balls buddy, but there was a 3rd car that ended up on the trailer Sunday...
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And I'm sure the Can Am never breaks. When things get used like this they are gonna break. I'm telling you I have had zero drive train issues and Only know of a few people who have had issues a few times in racing situations with proper prep. After every race your need to send in most transaxles from race cars in class 10 and class 1 and have them gone thru and that is with custom high dollar race parts. Most of those transmissions cost more then an entire XP1000. When you think of how stock Johnnys Turbo car was and to even finish the V2R let alone with him driving, that is pretty impressive. It would be a much shorter list for me to tell you the parts on my car that are not available from the Polaris dealer.
Next Time your gonna try and lynch some one you should look outside your little world at the big picture. For the asking price of these cars they are pretty amazing. But even brand new puppies die once in a while. Anything mechanical can break at any time and with your VAST experience you should this. No one has even invented any automobile that never breaks.
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Hahaha..... I thought we were not going to talk about the one I F*&%$$ up. And i'm still right, I did not F*%& mine up until Sunday afternoon. LOL.......LOL, hate bustin your balls buddy, but there was a 3rd car that ended up on the trailer Sunday...
Nate
Alba Racing
LOL, technicality Wayne....Hahaha..... I thought we were not going to talk about the one I F*&%$$ up. And i'm still right, I did not F*%& mine up until Sunday afternoon. LOL.......
Nate
Alba Racing
Never had a driveline problem still the original. Carrier bearing ok. Transmission ironically lost a bearing at V2R on a previously perfectly good trans that we had upgraded bearings put in. Never had a trans issue before. Like spindles we never had an issue but others changed to cage works and I believe some failures at v2r. Seems like all Oem parts aren't unfit for racing just a lot of them.